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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="simpson_vault">The Sumner Simpson Papers — approximately 6,000 documents preserved in Sumner Simpson's personal safe at Raybestos-Manhattan Corporation headquarters, Stratford, Connecticut, from approximately 1933 to 1977. Filed under the label "DUST." Entered asbestos litigation as evidence after 1977. Cited extensively in [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16507467/ Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed., 2005]; also cited in numerous asbestos personal injury cases as the "Simpson Papers" or "Sumner Simpson Papers."</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="jm_minutes_1933">Johns-Manville Corporation internal meeting minutes, 1933 — quote: "our past policy of keeping this matter confidential is to be pursued." Cited in [https://www.jstor.org/stable/3340002 David Rosner and Gerald Markowitz, "A Gift of God?: The Public Health Controversy over Leaded Gasoline during the 1920s," American Journal of Public Health, 1985]; and in Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed.</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="lanza_1931">Dr. Anthony Lanza, 1931 preliminary findings — 87% of workers with 15+ years of asbestos exposure showed radiographic evidence of lung disease. Study conducted under funding from Johns-Manville Corporation and Raybestos-Manhattan Corporation beginning in 1931. Cited in [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7793430/ Schepers GWH, American Journal of Industrial Medicine, 1995 (PMID: 7793430)] and in Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects."</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="merewether_1930">Merewether ERA, Price CW. "Report on Effects of Asbestos Dust on the Lungs and Dust Suppression in the Asbestos Industry." His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1930. Study of 363 asbestos workers; 25% had asbestosis; 80% of workers with 20+ years of exposure affected. Published simultaneously in American industrial medical journals. UK Asbestos Industry Regulations enacted March 1932 — first asbestos-specific occupational regulations in the world. Available via [https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr931.pdf HSE Research Report RR931] (historical background).</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="brown_legislation">Vandiver Brown, Johns-Manville Corporation, letter on occupational disease legislation (c. 1935, exact date contested in sources): quote on "strongest bulwark" — advocating for legislation to eliminate juries, cap fees, empower company medical boards, and allow reduction of workers' compensation awards. From the Sumner Simpson Papers. Cited in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial" (1985), and Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects."</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="brown_ostrich">Vandiver Brown to Sumner Simpson, 1941: "I felt there was considerable likelihood that a number of subscribers would dislike an article on this subject in the trade magazine of the asbestos industry. I had in mind the ostrich-like attitude which has been evidenced from time to time by members of the industry." From the Sumner Simpson Papers. Context: Brown criticizing industry members for insufficient active coordination of suppression, not for denial of the danger. Cited in Castleman and Brodeur.</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="smith_memos">Dr. Kenneth Smith, memo to Johns-Manville headquarters, 1949: "As long as the man is not disabled, it is felt that he should not be told of his condition so that he can live and work in peace, and the company can benefit by his many years of experience." Smith memo, 1952: recommendation for warning labels on asbestos products; rejected by management as a "business decision" because labels would "cut into sales." Cited in Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," and in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct."</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="roemer_testimony">Charles Roemer testimony, April 25, 1984. Federal court case: ''Johns-Manville Corporation v. The United States of America''. Roemer, a former employee of Unarco (Union Asbestos and Rubber Company), testified regarding a c. 1942–1943 meeting between Johns-Manville executives (including Lewis Brown, president, and Vandiver Brown, vice president and general counsel) and Unarco officials. Roemer's account: "I'll never forget, I turned to Mister Brown — and I said, Mister Brown, do you mean to tell me you would let them work until they dropped dead?" Vandiver Brown's reply: "Yes. We save a lot of money that way." Cited in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial" (1985), and Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed., 2005.</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="simpson_vault">The Sumner Simpson Papers — approximately 6,000 documents preserved in Sumner Simpson's personal safe at Raybestos-Manhattan Corporation headquarters, Stratford, Connecticut, from approximately 1933 to 1977. Filed under the label "DUST." Entered asbestos litigation as evidence after 1977. Cited extensively in [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16507467/ Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed., 2005]; also cited in numerous asbestos personal injury cases as the "Simpson Papers" or "Sumner Simpson Papers."</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="jm_minutes_1933">Johns-Manville Corporation internal meeting minutes, 1933 — quote: "our past policy of keeping this matter confidential is to be pursued." Cited in [https://www.jstor.org/stable/3340002 David Rosner and Gerald Markowitz, "A Gift of God?: The Public Health Controversy over Leaded Gasoline during the 1920s," American Journal of Public Health, 1985]; and in Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed.</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="lanza_1931">Dr. Anthony Lanza, 1931 preliminary findings — 87% of workers with 15+ years of asbestos exposure showed radiographic evidence of lung disease. Study conducted under funding from Johns-Manville Corporation and Raybestos-Manhattan Corporation beginning in 1931. Cited in [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7793430/ Schepers GWH, American Journal of Industrial Medicine, 1995 (PMID: 7793430)] and in Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects."</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="lanza_jama_1936">Lanza AJ, McConnell WJ, Fehnel JW. "[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20780601/ Effects of the inhalation of asbestos dust on the lungs of asbestos workers]." ''Public Health Reports'' 50(1):1–12, 1935 (preliminary); published in ''Journal of the American Medical Association'', February 1936. Original draft language "result fatally" suppressed at direction of Vandiver Brown; published version states asbestosis "did not result in any marked disability." New Jersey workers' compensation recognition delayed until 1945. Cited in Castleman and in asbestos litigation documents.</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="merewether_1930">Merewether ERA, Price CW. "Report on Effects of Asbestos Dust on the Lungs and Dust Suppression in the Asbestos Industry." His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1930. Study of 363 asbestos workers; 25% had asbestosis; 80% of workers with 20+ years of exposure affected. Published simultaneously in American industrial medical journals. UK Asbestos Industry Regulations enacted March 1932 — first asbestos-specific occupational regulations in the world. Available via [https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr931.pdf HSE Research Report RR931] (historical background).</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="rossiter_simpson_1935">A.F. Rossiter (editor, ''Asbestos'' magazine) to Sumner Simpson, September 25, 1935: "Always you have requested that for certain obvious reasons we publish nothing, and, naturally your wishes have been respected." Sumner Simpson to Vandiver Brown, October 1, 1935: "I think the less said about asbestos, the better off we are." / ''Asbestos'' magazine had "been very decent about not re-printing the English articles." From the Sumner Simpson Papers. Cited in Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed., 2005, and in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial" (1985).</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="brown_legislation">Vandiver Brown, Johns-Manville Corporation, letter on occupational disease legislation (c. 1935, exact date contested in sources): quote on "strongest bulwark" — advocating for legislation to eliminate juries, cap fees, empower company medical boards, and allow reduction of workers' compensation awards. From the Sumner Simpson Papers. Cited in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial" (1985), and Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects."</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="brown_ostrich">Vandiver Brown to Sumner Simpson, 1941: "I felt there was considerable likelihood that a number of subscribers would dislike an article on this subject in the trade magazine of the asbestos industry. I had in mind the ostrich-like attitude which has been evidenced from time to time by members of the industry." From the Sumner Simpson Papers. Context: Brown criticizing industry members for insufficient active coordination of suppression, not for denial of the danger. Cited in Castleman and Brodeur.</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="saranac_suppression_1947">Saranac Laboratory research contract, 1936: findings "vetted by company officials prior to publication." Industry meeting, January 1947: agreement that "any relation between asbestos and cancer" would not be published and "the reference to cancer and tumors should be deleted." Vandiver Brown correspondence, 1947: "All references to cancers and tumors deleted"; "unwise to have any copies of the draft report outstanding if the final report was to be different in any substantial respect." From the Sumner Simpson Papers and related litigation records. Cited in [https://law.justia.com/cases/illinois/court-of-appeals-fourth-appellate-district/2011/4100463.html ''Rodarmel v. Pneumo Abex, L.L.C.''], 2011 IL App (4th) 100463; and in Schepers GWH, [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7793430/ PMID: 7793430].</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="smith_memos">Dr. Kenneth Smith, memo to Johns-Manville headquarters, 1949: "As long as the man is not disabled, it is felt that he should not be told of his condition so that he can live and work in peace, and the company can benefit by his many years of experience." Smith memo, 1952: recommendation for warning labels on asbestos products; rejected by management as a "business decision" because labels would "cut into sales." Cited in Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," and in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct."</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="roemer_testimony">Charles Roemer testimony, April 25, 1984. Federal court case: ''Johns-Manville Corporation v. The United States of America''. Roemer, a former employee of Unarco (Union Asbestos and Rubber Company), testified regarding a c. 1942–1943 meeting between Johns-Manville executives (including Lewis Brown, president, and Vandiver Brown, vice president and general counsel) and Unarco officials. Roemer's account: "I'll never forget, I turned to Mister Brown — and I said, Mister Brown, do you mean to tell me you would let them work until they dropped dead?" Vandiver Brown's reply: "Yes. We save a lot of money that way." Cited in Paul Brodeur, "Outrageous Misconduct: The Asbestos Industry on Trial" (1985), and Barry I. Castleman, "Asbestos: Medical and Legal Aspects," 5th ed., 2005.</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
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