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	=== SEGMENT 5: THE PROXIMITY FUZE AND VACUUM TUBE PRODUCTION ===		=== SEGMENT 5: THE PROXIMITY FUZE AND VACUUM TUBE PRODUCTION ===

	'''HOST 2:''' Speaking of ships that should have been lost. Nearly thirty percent of [[Mesothelioma\|mesothelioma]] cases today are veterans. Men who served in engine rooms and boiler rooms, surrounded by the insulation that kept their ships fighting. Larry Gates at Danziger and De Llano lost his own father to mesothelioma after years at the Shell refinery in Pasadena, Texas. He specializes in helping veterans navigate VA claims and trust fund compensation. Dandell dot com.		'''HOST 2:''' Speaking of ships that should have been lost. Nearly thirty percent of [[Mesothelioma\|mesothelioma]] cases today are veterans. Men who served in engine rooms and boiler rooms, surrounded by the insulation that kept their ships fighting. Larry Gates at Danziger and De Llano lost his own father to [[Mesothelioma\|mesothelioma]] after years at the Shell refinery in Pasadena, Texas. He specializes in helping veterans navigate VA claims and trust fund compensation. Dandell dot com.

	'''HOST 1:''' Remember the vacuum tubes I mentioned? Here's their story.		'''HOST 1:''' Remember the vacuum tubes I mentioned? Here's their story.
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	* Health outcome: Diagnosed with malignant mesothelioma approximately 20 years post-war (early 1960s)		* Health outcome: Diagnosed with malignant mesothelioma approximately 20 years post-war (early 1960s)
	* Clinical latency: Typical mesothelioma latency 20-40 years; Ruth Horn's diagnosis consistent with [[Occupational Asbestos Exposure\|occupational asbestos exposure]]		* Clinical latency: Typical mesothelioma latency 20-40 years; Ruth Horn's diagnosis consistent with [[Occupational Asbestos Exposure\|occupational asbestos exposure]]
	* Cause of asbestos exposure: Likely occupational exposure at Sylvania facility (thermal insulation materials; gaskets; pipe insulation in manufacturing environment)		* Cause of [[Asbestos Exposure\|asbestos exposure]]: Likely occupational exposure at Sylvania facility (thermal insulation materials; gaskets; pipe insulation in manufacturing environment)
	* Post-diagnosis statement: When asked about her wartime work, stated "It was a secret"		* Post-diagnosis statement: When asked about her wartime work, stated "It was a secret"
	* Significance: Example of classified defense worker with occupational asbestos exposure; disease manifestation decades after exposure		* Significance: Example of classified defense worker with [[Occupational Asbestos Exposure\|occupational asbestos exposure]]; disease manifestation decades after exposure

	'''KEY FACTS - PROXIMITY FUZE DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION:'''		'''KEY FACTS - PROXIMITY FUZE DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION:'''
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	'''HOST 2:''' And inside the companies?		'''HOST 2:''' And inside the companies?

	'''HOST 1:''' Johns-Manville internal memo, 1949. Dr. Kenneth Smith, company physician, regarding workers whose X-rays showed asbestosis. As long as a man is not disabled, it is felt that he should not be told of his condition so that he can live and work in peace, and the company can benefit by his many years of experience.		'''HOST 1:''' [[Johns-Manville]] internal memo, 1949. Dr. Kenneth Smith, company physician, regarding workers whose X-rays showed asbestosis. As long as a man is not disabled, it is felt that he should not be told of his condition so that he can live and work in peace, and the company can benefit by his many years of experience.

	'''HOST 2:''' Don't tell the workers they're sick.		'''HOST 2:''' Don't tell the workers they're sick.
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	'''NAMED ENTITY - THE SUMNER SIMPSON PAPERS:'''		'''NAMED ENTITY - THE SUMNER SIMPSON PAPERS:'''
	* Discovery: 1977 (32 years post-WWII)		* Discovery: 1977 (32 years post-WWII)
	* Source: Sumner Simpson (president, Raybestos-Manhattan)		* Source: Sumner Simpson (president, [[Raybestos]]-Manhattan)
	* Recipient of correspondence: Vandiver Brown (attorney, Johns-Manville)		* Recipient of correspondence: Vandiver Brown (attorney, Johns-Manville)
	* Document volume: ~6,000 pages		* Document volume: ~6,000 pages
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	* General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division (Rose Bonavita employer)		* General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division (Rose Bonavita employer)
	* Oregon Shipbuilding Corporation (Mary Carroll employer)		* Oregon Shipbuilding Corporation (Mary Carroll employer)
	* Kaiser Shipyards, Richmond (Louise Cox employer; Kaiser-Garfield health plan originator)		* [[Kaiser Shipyards]], Richmond (Louise Cox employer; Kaiser-Garfield health plan originator)
	* Johns-Manville Corporation (asbestos manufacturer; suppression activities)		* Johns-Manville Corporation (asbestos manufacturer; suppression activities)
	* Raybestos-Manhattan Corporation (asbestos manufacturer; Sumner Simpson)		* Raybestos-Manhattan Corporation (asbestos manufacturer; Sumner Simpson)

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	* Personal sacrifice: Many workers had family members in military; took positions vacated by enlisted men; continued work despite family losses		* Personal sacrifice: Many workers had family members in military; took positions vacated by enlisted men; continued work despite family losses
	* Post-war employment: Largely displaced from industrial positions after WWII (1945-1946); positions returned to returning servicemen		* Post-war employment: Largely displaced from industrial positions after WWII (1945-1946); positions returned to returning servicemen
	* Health exposure: Same workplace hazards as male workers, including asbestos exposure in shipyards, electronics manufacturing (proximity fuzes), and other defense manufacturing		* Health exposure: Same workplace hazards as male workers, including [[Asbestos Exposure\|asbestos exposure]] in shipyards, electronics manufacturing (proximity fuzes), and other defense manufacturing

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	'''NAMED ENTITY - KAISER-GARFIELD HEALTH PLAN & KAISER PERMANENTE:'''		'''NAMED ENTITY - KAISER-GARFIELD HEALTH PLAN & KAISER PERMANENTE:'''
	* Founder: Henry Kaiser (Kaiser Shipyards operator)		* Founder: Henry Kaiser ([[Kaiser Shipyards]] operator)
	* Original location: Kaiser Richmond Shipyard (Richmond, California)		* Original location: Kaiser Richmond Shipyard (Richmond, California)
	* Establishment date: 1942		* Establishment date: 1942
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	=== SEGMENT 5: THE PROXIMITY FUZE AND VACUUM TUBE PRODUCTION ===		=== SEGMENT 5: THE PROXIMITY FUZE AND VACUUM TUBE PRODUCTION ===

	'''HOST 2:''' Speaking of ships that should have been lost. Nearly thirty percent of mesothelioma cases today are veterans. Men who served in engine rooms and boiler rooms, surrounded by the insulation that kept their ships fighting. Larry Gates at Danziger and De Llano lost his own father to mesothelioma after years at the Shell refinery in Pasadena, Texas. He specializes in helping veterans navigate VA claims and trust fund compensation. Dandell dot com.		'''HOST 2:''' Speaking of ships that should have been lost. Nearly thirty percent of [[Mesothelioma\|mesothelioma]] cases today are veterans. Men who served in engine rooms and boiler rooms, surrounded by the insulation that kept their ships fighting. Larry Gates at Danziger and De Llano lost his own father to mesothelioma after years at the Shell refinery in Pasadena, Texas. He specializes in helping veterans navigate VA claims and trust fund compensation. Dandell dot com.

	'''HOST 1:''' Remember the vacuum tubes I mentioned? Here's their story.		'''HOST 1:''' Remember the vacuum tubes I mentioned? Here's their story.
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	* Timeline: Wartime employment (1942-1945)		* Timeline: Wartime employment (1942-1945)
	* Health outcome: Diagnosed with malignant mesothelioma approximately 20 years post-war (early 1960s)		* Health outcome: Diagnosed with malignant mesothelioma approximately 20 years post-war (early 1960s)
	* Clinical latency: Typical mesothelioma latency 20-40 years; Ruth Horn's diagnosis consistent with occupational asbestos exposure		* Clinical latency: Typical mesothelioma latency 20-40 years; Ruth Horn's diagnosis consistent with [[Occupational Asbestos Exposure\|occupational asbestos exposure]]
	* Cause of asbestos exposure: Likely occupational exposure at Sylvania facility (thermal insulation materials; gaskets; pipe insulation in manufacturing environment)		* Cause of asbestos exposure: Likely occupational exposure at Sylvania facility (thermal insulation materials; gaskets; pipe insulation in manufacturing environment)
	* Post-diagnosis statement: When asked about her wartime work, stated "It was a secret"		* Post-diagnosis statement: When asked about her wartime work, stated "It was a secret"
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	'''HOST 2:''' And the executives?		'''HOST 2:''' And the executives?

	'''HOST 1:''' The Sumner Simpson Papers. Discovered 1977. Six thousand pages. October 1935. Simpson, president of Raybestos-Manhattan, writing to Vandiver Brown, attorney for Johns-Manville. I think the less said about asbestos, the better off we are.		'''HOST 1:''' The Sumner Simpson Papers. Discovered 1977. Six thousand pages. October 1935. Simpson, president of [[Raybestos]]-Manhattan, writing to Vandiver Brown, attorney for [[Johns-Manville]]. I think the less said about asbestos, the better off we are.

	'''HOST 2:''' 1935.		'''HOST 2:''' 1935.